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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 14:36

    Body found in hunt for missing AislingOctober 12, 2009 - 9:42PM

    ‘‘Look what you’re putting us through’’ ... Alan and Angela Symes, parents of missing two-year-old Aisling (above), face the media at Henderson police station in Auckland. Photo: Peter Meecham

    Police have found a child's body, believed to be that of Aisling Symes, after searchers dug behind a west Auckland property near where the two-year-old went missing a week ago.
    Inspector Gary Davey said it was with "tremendous sadness" that he could confirm police had discovered the body of a child in a drain just after 8pm this evening.
    He said it was too early to confirm if it was Aisling and how long the body had been there. "It is too early to know how the child got there or indeed, how long she had been there."
    Speaking with tears in his eyes Mr Davey said the property, about 200 metres from Aisling's deceased grandparents, had now been cordoned off and was being treated as a crime scene.
    Police staff from the investigation are with the Symes family tonight.
    At 10.30pm tonight more than 100 people at the scene, some with small children, holding candles and huddled in blankets. Leah Hayes said the discovery of the child's body "made her feel physically sick. "I was hoping for a happy ending. It's just so sad."
    An address in Pomaria Rd, which backs on to the property has also been under police guard.
    Fire officers and police spent the evening digging land located down a long driveway off the Pomaria Rd address, which backs on to a creek and neighbours Aisling's grandparents' house in Longburn Rd.
    The area had been covered with tarpaulin and was being searched by around 15 police officers under lights.
    It is understood police had also searched a septic tank at the back of the section.
    Earlier around 200 people gathered outside the property where the sound of heavy machinery had been heard and a helicopter had been hovering nearby.
    Family members who attended a church service this evening praying for Aisling's safe return, were also called away. Aisling's parents were not in attendance.
    Firefighters had been working since about 6pm on the Pomaria Rd address.
    Aisling disappeared a week ago from the front yard of her deceased grandparents' west Auckland home. She was watching her mother, Angela, and five-year-old sister Caitlin fix a tap on a washing machine when she wandered away.
    A police search team scoured a three kilometre radius around the house for nearly 48 hours but failed to find any trace of Aisling.
    The last confirmed sighting of her had been at 5.15pm last Monday in Longburn Rd, Henderson, in the company of an unknown Asian woman who was walking a dog.
    Late this afternoon British peer Michael Ashcroft offered a reward of $50,000 for information on the missing toddler.
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    It is not known whether this reward offer had any connection with tonight's discovery.
    Police staff on the inquiry had been increased to 70.
    Last week police said after an intensive search of the area around the Longburn Rd home of her deceased grandparents, they were convinced she was not in the area.
    Aisling's father said the past week has been "one very long bad day".
    A Facebook site set up by Symes family member Christina Bartle had more than 12,000 members last night.
    Mrs Bartle, whose husband is Aisling's cousin, said Aisling's parents had been overwhelmed by the messages of support.

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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 14:38

    Every parent's worst nightmare

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    10:00PM Monday October 12, 2009





    Oh God. Oh God. The worst nightmare of mothers and fathers everywhere - and particularly the parents of little Aisling Symes - appears to have come to pass tonight with the news a toddler's body has been found at a property adjoining the spot Aisling last played with members of her family.

    I can not even imagine how horrific the experience is for the Symes family, but I know that parents everywhere have done nothing but shiver in horror every time this story is mentioned.

    One friend of mine couldn't even follow the coverage because she couldn't bear it - and I'm sure she's not the only one.

    How many parents spend time thinking of losing their children to something terrible? Many of us, for sure. I know I do. For some reason, each night before drifting off to sleep I concoct some fevered imagination in my brain which sees one or other child wiped out before my eyes and I am helpless to do anything.

    Losing any child is beyond the pale, but for some reason losing a two-year-old is so poignant. They are so little, so uninhibited and wild, and yet often teasingly showing their parents glimpses of the person they are going to become. They can say a few words, sing a few notes and melt glaciers with their smiles. They've lived so much of the good life already - if they are lucky - but have so much more to bustle about doing.

    A story like this brings it home for us how important it is to be ever-vigilant with our toddlers - and this is absolutely not meant as any disrespect to Angela Symes, who seems to only have been doing the same as any one of us has in our years trying to run households, hold down jobs and raise children.

    For those that constantly harp these days about toughening children up, letting them experience danger, not putting them in cotton wool, I say walk a mile in the shoes of Angela and Alan Symes before blithely spouting such nonsense. It's all very well to hark back to times gone by, but they were also very dangerous times for children. Farms and homes have claimed hundreds of young victims when curiosity drove them out of their parents' line of sight.

    Whatever the outcome of tonight's unimaginable find is, our thoughts are naturally with everyone involved. From the cops who have had to immerse themselves in this miserable situation each day, to the parents and family who have lived every agonising hour waiting for good news since last Monday, and of course for the little girl, Aisling Symes, whose short life has touched every corner of New Zealand.
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 14:58

    Bagy,

    Cela faisait 8 jours, je crois qu'on la cherchait ... mais sait-on ce qui est arrivé ?
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 17:45

    Le chef de l'enquête... visiblement ému.

    D'après la présentatrice, la dernière fois que la maman avait vu la petite elle était dans le jardin devant la maison. Elle (si c'est bien elle) a été retrouvée dans un système d'écoulement derrière une autre maison à 200m.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Aisling-police-find-body-of-a-child--full-press-conference/tabid/423/articleID/125084/cat/64/Default.aspx
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 18:51

    Le corps d'un enfant a été trouvé dans un drain près du lieu où un jeune enfant a disparu une semaine plus tôt en Nouvelle-Zélande.

    Un pompier met de côté un coupeur de béton après un corps a été récupéré d'une fuite



    Deux ans, Aisling Symes, dont le père Allan est originaire du comté de Waterford, en Irlande, a disparu d'une banlieue d'Auckland, le 5 Octobre.

    Les équipes d'urgence ont maintenant annoncé la découverte de restes d'un jeune enfant.

    La police a souligné qu'il n'avait pas été confirmé qu'il était Aisling, mais indiqué que les officiers étaient avec sa famille.


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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 23:27

    Body in drain thought to be missing girl



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    A body found in a New Zealand drain is believed to be that of missing two-year-old girl, Aisling Symes.
    The child's body was removed from the drain by police last night and a post-mortem will be performed today.
    The body was discovered near where Aisling Symes was last seen on Long Burn road, but police say they cannot confirm it is her.
    However, her family says they have been told by the police that it is the two-year-old.
    Inspector Gary Davey says the area has been cordoned off and is being treated as a crime scene.
    He says he does not know how the body came to be in the drain, and he has many more unanswered questions.
    More than 150 people gathered near the property last night to show their support for the Symes family.
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 23:29

    Body confirmed as Aisling

    Auck police describe thorough search of drain where Aisling Symes' body found; "deeply saddened"; famly request privacy

    13 October 2009

    West Auckland police say they did everything they could to find Aisling Symes on the night the toddler went missing and are deeply saddened about the discovery of her body.

    Inquiry head Inspector Gary Davey has confirmed the body found in a drain on a property just a few metres away from the Henderson home where Aisling went missing is that of the two-year-old.

    Police removed the body early this morning and a post mortem examination is being carried out.

    Mr Davey says police carried out a thorough investigation of the drain shortly after being called to Longburn Rd on Monday last week, when Aisling was reported missing.

    He says after speaking briefly to a neighbour, two officers searched 5 Longburn Rd shortly before 6pm that night. One of the officers looked in the manhole immediately on arrival at the scene. Mr Davey says it was daylight and the officer saw that nobody was in the drain.

    The officer was then asked to search the stream and within 15 minutes returned to the manhole. The officer borrowed a torch, climbed into the manhole, which was about two metres deep and used his torch to examine the drain. Mr Davey says the officer believed he could see five metres into the drain. He called Aisling's name but could hear nothing but running water.

    Mr Davey says drain was searched later in the night by search and rescue members and Aisling's father.

    He says with the assistance of Watercare Services, a decision was made to use special search techniques in the drain. Cameras which could search metres into the drain failed to locate Aisling at that stage.

    Yesterday, a decision was made to dig up the drain because of blockage issues. A digger and concrete cutters were used and the exercise took five hours.

    "Unfortunately once we did open the drain, we were able to see Aisling."

    Mr Davey says the family is extremely upset and he asked the media to give them some privacy

    "My heart goes out to them for losing their little girl and I know it's going to be a very tough few days. It is small solace to know that at least one small thing is that they can grieve and move on and that they have their little girl home.

    "I'm extremely proud of my investigation team. They showed tenacity and commitment to finding Aisling."

    Mr Davey says at this stage he believes the case is one of misadventure but says police are keeping an open mind.

    Mr Davey says police have identified the Asian woman who was the last person seen with Aisling and are trying to track her down.
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 23:32

    Missing toddler found dead


    By MSN NZ staff
    Tuesday, October 13, 2009



    The drain where the body of missing two-year-old Aisling Symes was found last night had been searched previously.

    Aisling's body was found at about 8pm last night in a drainpipe in a Henderson property near where she disappeared eight days ago.
    On the official Facebook site set up by the family, the latest posting reads: "I am extremely devastated to have to report to you that Aisling's body has been found in a drain near where she went missing.
    "Thank you all for your support, please continue to pray for Aisling's family as this is going to be the hardest time of our lives and we will need all the prayers we can get.
    Inspector Gary Davey this morning told media he thought the body had been in the drain the whole time and suspects misadventure though he said he was unable to rule out foul play at this stage.
    A post mortem will be carried out this morning.
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 23:39

    Bonsoir Jo et merci.
    Très triste cette histoire. Il a l'air très sympa ce flic.

    Mais il y a quelque chose que je ne comprends pas - ils avaient donc bien inspecté ce machin d'évacuation sans rien trouver au départ...
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 23:46

    Claude2 a écrit:
    Bonsoir Jo et merci.
    Très triste cette histoire. Il a l'air très sympa ce flic.

    Mais il y a quelque chose que je ne comprends pas - ils avaient donc bien inspecté ce machin d'évacuation sans rien trouver au départ...

    Bonsoir Claude, oui c'est si triste

    Bonsoir à tous,

    Oui apparemment on parle d'enlèvement puisque les lieux avaient été visités immédiatement après la disparition.

    Comment est il possible que les kidnappeurs auraient ensuite amené le corps à quelques mètres du lieu de son enlèvement?


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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 23:47

    Wellington - New Zealand police confirmed Tuesday that they had found the body of a 2-year-old girl who they thought had been kidnapped in a drain close to the place she disappeared a week ago. The body recovered on Monday evening was identified as Aisling Symes, who had been missing since October 5.
    Police said they had not immediately ruled out foul play, but indications were that the girl, who had been seen chasing ducklings near a stream before she disappeared, drowned accidentally.
    Neighbours were asking how a child missing for a week and feared taken by kidnappers could be found only metres from where she disappeared, the New Zealand Herald reported.

    Police hunting for the daughter of Irish immigrant Alan Symes and his wife, Angela, said last week they were confident she was not in the area where her body was found.
    Two days after she disappeared, police inspector Gary Davey said police were increasingly convinced she had been abducted and called on the kidnapper to return her.

    He told reporters on Tuesday that the stormwater drain where the girl's body was found after diggers and concrete cutting equipment were called in had been searched several times after she was reported missing.

    Davey said an Asian woman with a dog who two witnesses said they saw talking to the child as she played near the house where her parents were working had been identified and police were trying to trace her.
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Lun 12 Oct - 23:53

    Peut-être tout simplement parce qu'ils ne l'avaient pas trouvée.
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mar 13 Oct - 12:33

    le plus horrible c'est qu'en plus les parents ont cru qu'elle avait été enlevée pendant 1 semaine qui a du leur paraitre un siècle!

    c'est la double peine...
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mar 13 Oct - 14:14

    Paix à ton Ame petite fille, que tes parents aient la force de continuer sans toi grâce au souvenir de ton amour.
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mar 13 Oct - 14:22

    Donc, c'est un accident ?

    (pas un enlèvement) ..
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mar 13 Oct - 14:27

    Cassandre79 a écrit:
    Donc, c'est un accident ?

    (pas un enlèvement) ..
    à priori oui, Cass, la police penche pour le thèse de l'accident
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mar 13 Oct - 16:24

    Selon l'autopsie, les résultats sont cohérents avec une noyade. Le couvercle qui se trouve chez les voisins se soulève tout seul en cas d'un fort écoulement et malgré les plaintes à la municipalité, des solutions n'avaient pas encore été mises en place.

    Malgré des recherches à la lumière du jour, un agent qui est descendu lui-même et qui dit avoir eu une visibilité de 5 m dans les deux sens, il n'a rien vu. Une société spécialisée a déployé des caméras sans rien trouver non plus. Vraisemblement, son corps a été transporté à plus de 30 m dans la buse jusque vers un blocage crée par des racines d'arbres.

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26204511-2,00.html

    Une image du système d'écoulement (cliquer sur "detailed reconstruction of deadly drain":
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/video.cfm?c_id=1&gal_objectid=10602908&gallery_id=107837

    Une vidéo avec le chef de l'enquête qui explique "why it took so long to find Aisling":
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/video.cfm?c_id=1&gal_objectid=10602908&gallery_id=107837
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mar 13 Oct - 19:56

    Claude2 a écrit:
    Selon l'autopsie, les résultats sont cohérents avec une noyade. Le couvercle qui se trouve chez les voisins se soulève tout seul en cas d'un fort écoulement et malgré les plaintes à la municipalité, des solutions n'avaient pas encore été mises en place.

    Malgré des recherches à la lumière du jour, un agent qui est descendu lui-même et qui dit avoir eu une visibilité de 5 m dans les deux sens, il n'a rien vu. Une société spécialisée a déployé des caméras sans rien trouver non plus. Vraisemblement, son corps a été transporté à plus de 30 m dans la buse jusque vers un blocage crée par des racines d'arbres.

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    Bonjour à tous,
    Salut Claude,

    Donc si je comprends bien, dès l'annonce de la disparition, la police avait inspecté 3 fois les lieux avec caméras sans la trouver car apparemment le corps de la petite se trouvait à 36 mètres.

    Lorsque, 1 semaine plus tard, le corps a été découvert (avec l'intervention des pompiers), ils penchaient d'abord au fait que la petite avait été kidnappée et que le corps aurait pu être déposé quelques jours plus tard.

    Mais cette hypothèse a été écartée apparemment car selon le premier stade de l'autopsie, la petite Aisling serait morte noyée accidentellement.

    Je ne comprends pas bien :

    - quand les recherches ont eu lieu dès la disparition, le couvercle était il soulevé, pas correctement fermé ou manquant?

    Ou est-ce que c'est le volume d'eau, à cause de la pluie abondante, qui a fait bouger le couvercle mal fermé?

    Car pour moi, cette petite n'a pas pu soulever toute seule ce couvercle.

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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mar 13 Oct - 20:11

    Coucou Jo
    J'ai des questions aussi. Je ne comprends pas encore par où elle serait tombée. Peut-être on en saurait plus demain.
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mar 13 Oct - 20:15

    Jo, je n'ai rien lu sur une hypothèse officielle que le corps aurait pu y être déposé plus tard... mais j'attends.
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mer 14 Oct - 2:27

    merci a tous pour les articles et les liens.. dans l'attente de comprendre comment elle a pu se retrouver la ou on l'a trouvee
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mer 14 Oct - 8:33

    quelle tristesse, mon dieu que d'enfants disparus, enlevés, ou morts de mort naturelle, pourquoi???
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mer 14 Oct - 9:41

    Il n'est toujours pas clair comment la petite est entrée dans le système d'écoulement. Une trentaine d'agents continent à travailler sur le cas pour préparer l'enquête du médecin légiste. Ils ont trouvé la dame asiatique et l'ont éliminée. Les obsèques auront lieu vendredi et seront ouvertes au public.

    Facebook a dû fermer la page de soutien, suivie par plus de 24.000 personnes, à cause de certains commentaires désobligeants.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2963235/Inquiry-into-Aisling-Symes-death

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2964307/Hundreds-expected-for-Aisling-Symes-funeral
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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mer 14 Oct - 10:12

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    MessageSujet: Re: Aisling Symes 2 ans NZ   Mer 14 Oct - 10:52

    Bonjour Claude

    il semble que cette bouche d'evacuation etait reconnue comme dangereuse et qu'il y avait eu des fuites l'annee derniere. Des locataires dans la maison a cote avaient demenage, justement a cause du danger potentiel pour leurs tout petits enfants.

    L'organisation chargee du systeme d'ecoulement craint des actions en droit pour negligence, vu le nombre d'avertissements qu'elle avait recu auparavant au sujet de cette bouche ...

    Pauvre bebe, elle est peut-etre entree dans la bouche pour s'echapper a la forte pluie qui tombait...

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